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  • Hey Cory. Since that you became adnimistrator, would you help me in making the wiki a better place? Like, could you help me in adding information on pages, putting new categories, re-editing pages and categories?

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    • If people were to make it a different wiki we need to remind them of the rules this wiki has to follow even if they like it or not so are there pages that need fixing?

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    • Certainly. I would do my best to maintain the wiki and the changes.

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    • Also if there are people like say if they're part of the Adventure Team Community especially those who are toxic like Ralphie, I'vve finally learned to do links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp48C8biHYU and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWs0SsQil4&t=28s along with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QqgTuJ3-r8&t=24s also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdvtKHuTRy0&t=36s and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMGfxZ-MwuY and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKl9-JrqwF0 along with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26hnC2rbN_g  and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYDiL1mf5k8 along with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O43or7WVmHw&t=1s and last but not least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg-_t-aGxPk&t=3003s These are to show you to be aware of anyone who could be part of this. If any of them to like say add Ralphie in this and messed this wiki up you might show them links to the ones I've giving you or block them if they act like babies.

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    • Okay. I will have them in mind. However, I have to remind you something. I hope I would not upset you in any way, but here is the thing.

      Just as I am a user who wants to contribute for the wiki and share ideas with the others, you are also a user with the same capabilties as anyone else in the forum. Don't think high of yourself (like being a superior or a supreme being to others). Most of them will get the wrong idea, probably thinking you as an overreacting vigilante or self-righteous arrogant boaster who thinks high of himself compared to others.

      This is not the case in most fandoms since their job is not criticizing other people's preferences (though they must understand their own limits; otherwise, they would trespass violations on the community, in which case, they must be warned or blocked), but help them in any other way as possible. So, putting videos about personal reactions, based on overrreacting scenes from films or television series, don't help the situation at all. In fact, it would get much worse that you could anticipate. Just inform them, talk with them, warn them, or block them. 

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    • I'll try and if any of them fail I might ask for you're help on that. I won't think I'm a higher being who forces rules upon people we all want everyone to have fun.

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    • We'll see about that. Now, I want to speak another matter with you, a matter which you must have knowledge of what you say, what you write, what you watch, and what you judge. Because, in most cases, what you could probably say could ultimately fail your expectations.

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    • I never fail my expectations, I'm not judgemental like any other jerks but if there are people who would do that I would tell them calmly not to judge and what they're doing is not good. Even if that person is an out of control freak. If that fails If I almost start to blow steam I would take a HUGE breather and have to ask you to help me deal with any user who would not take things kindly. I'm more of a humble guy and try to deal with people either they be trolls or cyber bullies or Religion-Shamers show them this if they do anything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PpclgNa1dA or Religious Zealot (You probably know what to do with them) who wouldnt listing, I might need you're help on those if they won't co opperate. I'm not sure if you ever deal with these kinds of people before? I say let's both keep this wiki safe, with people do whatever war they want to suggest.

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    • Things are complicated as they appear. We never know if both me or you could fail victims of our expectations. Let's start off with an example. I will ask several questions and you will answer truthfully and straight-forward. 

      Did you expressed interest in watching series like the anime Overlord in the previous events just because Demiurge appears as as supporting character? Do you still have interest in watching it?

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    • I never watched Overlord, I want to I'm not sure if the character is a Demiurge or just a name which would be weird if a person is named Demiurge I have seen reviews of Overlord and I wouldnt say it's better than Sword Art Online I found it decent. But hopefully it will show up on Netlfix. But I if any character is a demiurge like Zeus or Celestiabeings from Ben 10 or Yaldabaoth or YHVH (Shin Megamit Tensei) or Bhunivelze or Supreme Kais from DBZ should have a categorie for Demiurge because they're Demiurges but would be pointless because they be in categorie of Gods which ok kind of makes sense. But yea I still have an interest in Overlord.

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    • Also here's the link to Demiurge I was sure I was posific with the Demiurge https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Demiurge

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    • Demiurge is based on the description of the real figure on Gnosticism, being second-in-comannd to the creator of the Overlord series (Ainz Ooal Gown). It may be better than SAO. Nonethess, in anime series like SAO and Overlord do you root for protagonists to succeed in their goal to stop oppression and change nations for the better? Additonally, do you think that most of evil a***holes would get what they deserve in their comeuppances and the righteous ones would emerge victorious?

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    • In something that's fictional maybe but I'm only here for the story wise.

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    • Then it would be better if don't watch it at all. There are no heroic deeds in the series, the concept of good vs. evil, power of friendship, black and white seems to be out of their league. Only fitness of survival, power struggle, and family business seem to be the main elements of the series. Additionally, the series only focuses on Nazarick's (Ainz' home) annexed empire, and the fights ensued with the other nations. It's literally a power sturggle similiar to the Game of Thrones series and the gang wars in films and series like The GodfatherScarface, and Breaking Bad. Everyone else appear to be depraved and twisted in their own goals for power, not only Nazarick's subjects. The only honorable characters who appear so far in the series are the butler Sebas Tian and the guardian Cocytus.

      Additionally, if you root for Ainz and Demiurge (the main protagonists in the series) just because they seem to appear differently than the others, then technically you root their work of utter destruction. Don't hope or expect that something good will happen from the outcome of their actions. You are literally watching a lich monster and his entourage expanding their sphere of infuence across the fantasy world, slaughtering many innocents in their wake. In fact, it gets worse as the series progresses.

      Additionally, the series has a serious take on death penalties and torments. While films and series like Hellsing (Alucard), Halloween (Michael Myers), and Nightmare on Elm-Street (Freddy Kruger) portray the protagonists as straight-forward murderers, killing their victims without thought, series like the anime Overlord take their protagonists to a whole different level where you are witness to the torture and torment anyone who would harass Ainz's subjects or trespass in their territory. This series reaches levels of the anime Berserk you couldn't even comprehend.

      For example, in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMXMRFGQQ&t=225s (Season 3; Episode 8), if you feel guilt about the fate of the blonde thief girl, then don't ever think about watching the series. This is nothing compared to what they show to other characters in the series in other scenes, episodes, or chapters. Innocents are tortured to the point of breaking up their mentality and spirit, royals falling into depravity and insanity, and others who mistakely believe they are saved just because they are on Ainz' side. Unless you are used to see those kind of scenes, then brace yourself for the events you will see.

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    • I havent seen The GodfatherScarface, and Breaking Bad but hopefully I will, like I said I'm only here for the story I am used to those things I can be disturbing at times heck my favorite villain is Pennywise the clown (Both old and new versions) I just need to watch Overlord to see my opinion on this show like hopefully when I'm finished watching it I might consider adding it into NDHvV part 2 and have him as a rival to Kirito. I actually think Ainz looks totally badass.

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    • I have my doubts. Nevertheless, we will see about that.

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    • Oh please you're talking to a guy that loves horror series here's the link to the playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU7-CMNbl6BaEtZkMcmVaTfN1ysSXSSif heck Hellsing (Anime) is one of my favorite animes I even have a favorite season of American Horror Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9KZr2Vn7CQ and my favorite scene from Twisty the Clown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lqu1jcwJ1A&has_verified=1. Like I don't take stories that are fictional seriously, now if it's people like John Wayne Cacey, or Charles Manson or Hitler or Amon Goeth that's different.

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    • Yes, but the series I am talking (Overlord, Berserk, Hellraiser) about take the horror and dread to a next level. It's not about jumpscares, brutal massacres, cold-blood kills, the flowing blood, and the taunting of the main villains. These series speak in depth to the characters, breaking their minds, mentality, and spirits.

      For example, if a character meets a foe like Ainz, Griffith, or Pinhead, and thinks he would kill him prior to the torment and suffering he would receive, the aftermath of his being after the torment and torture will left him in a devastated and hopeless state, claiming it would better to be dead straight away rather than be tortured by the others' experimentations. It's more like horror and thriller combined. 

      For example, these videos from the anime Berserk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_iVQzIuc0 and (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gkuxh3SbdY&t=38s) express the very essence of fear, dread, horror, despair, hopelessness when confronted with beings far beyond their limits and powers. I have heard that Berserk was based on Hellraiser, making the series more significant. The interesting part is that the series doesn't end by the Eclipse; in fact, the original series, including the final episode, appear as prologue to the current events. It is the movie trope equivalent to the joke: "For any teenager who thinks his life sucks, life hasn't even begin to f*** you up yet. Buckle up a***holes."

      Fun fact, Berserk was also the inspiration of the game Dark Souls, one of the most difficult games to date.

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    • Not interested in Berserk, it looks to weird for my taste. Secondly you did saw HellRaiser in that playlsit didnt you?. third Dark Souls not really interesting to me. I wouldnt care if a character tries to kill Ainz or Pinhead I would know a character would get killed by either Ainz or Pinhead, not even Sam or Dean winchester can defeat them

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    • How weird is Berserk for your tastes? It has a bit of everything: from medieval romance and temporary frienship to horror series and fitness of survival. Maybe you mean it is trippy. By the way, I think, from the looks of it, that most of the horror films you shown on your playlist only saw them in reviews rather than the actual films themselves, which appears pathetic since you never seem to experience the real horror essence.

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    • Also, American Horror Story, really? This series isn't even scary, just straight forward murder.

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    • Actually Those reviews for reason is because of the copyright claims on YouTube I've happened to own A Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser Stephen King's IT (both old and new) on DVD, I've watched Child's Play, Scream 1 2 and 3, Silence of the Lambs, Candyman, Carrie (1976), Carrie (2002), Apostle, Terrifier and Mtv's Scream on Netflix, I've watched Freddy vs Jason since High School, I even have Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow on dvd and I've seen Poltergiest movie on TV. Also American Horror Story may be straight forward murder but it can scare the crap out of people.

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    • Yes, but that's what it is, straight-forward murderer. I'm sorry for calling pathetic previously. However, just because you saw classical movies and series like those, doesn't mean  you can handle other horror masterpieces. Also most horror films and series seem to reach an end, whether it would be good or bad ending, where Overlord and Bersek tend to the opposite, being expanded and progressed in becoming more twisted that it originally appear.

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    • I wouldnt care, I would watch them heck I might have to check out other horror movies and series to get like Cujo, or A Clock Work Orange, or Jaws, or hopefully I'll watch IT chapter 2, Dcotor Sleep (the sequel to the Shining which I've actually watched and I love that movie). Child's Play (2019), and every single Halloween movies.

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    • Then clearly you are not ready. But why I do care at this point? If you truly want to watch series like Overlord because you think Ainz is badass and the story seems promising then go ahead. Don't complain later that the story didn't live up to your expectations or drop because of the actions of the characters. You expressed interest, you rooted for it, you asked for it, you got what they give you, and you got what you deserve.

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    • All I know is that Overlord is about Ainz who is the villain protaganist that is trap in the DMMO-RPG game. which sounds promising, heck characters I like often ended up killed, my expectations is Ainz comes out victory. about time we see villains actually winning.

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    • Whatever.

      Out of the ordinary, speaking of Berserk, it came to me a thought. At the same time I watched the original Berserk series, including the events of the Eclipse and the God's Hand's reveal, I also wrote the final stages of HvV. I was influenced and drew inspiration by that series. A major part of its terminology found within the HvV page (Advent, Summoning, Invocation; see Fall of Grimhilde [Epilogue], Endgame [Prologue; the first scene], and Armageddon [Midway; at Chernabog's reveal]) was drawn from the Eclipse scene from Berserk. You can say, in a way, that Chernabog's Legion of Darkness, the Summoning, their reveal in the battle of Bald Mountain, and their demonic minions recounts the reveal of God's Hand and the demonic Apostles, during the events of the Eclipse, in Berserk. That's an interesting fact to know.

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    • Ok interesting to know of the inspiration but still not interesting on checking Berserk.

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    • Actually, I didn't want you to watch Berserk, nor to have interest in it. It is just that I wanted inspiration to create and finish a story. It is about consistency.

      This led me to another thought. Maybe most of movie tropes I watched are combined into this one page (HvV page). From a Robin Hood's Merry Men resistance team (I meant the original Robin Hood trope); the alliances of heroes similar to many generic anime series (like The Heroic Legend of Arslan, Altair: A Record of Battles, Magi: Adventures of Sinbad, and many others); the union of the resistance and the assimilation of the hero forces into one army similar to Lord of the Rings (Aragorn's appeal to the other kingdoms and the aid to recruit an army to fight the forces of Mordor) and Disney Heroes vs. Villains (the whole story and pace until the final events of the first part of the series); a royal battle similiar to the Helm's Deep battle from Lord of the Rings, and the terrifying and demonic reveal close to the God's Hand's reveal in Berserk.

      I don't know which trope corresponds to the Epilogue since it appears as an original take from CKPrimeval.

      Hope you enjoyed that bit of information.

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    • Ok I havent seen The Heroic Legend of Arslan, or Altair: A Record of Battles, but I have seen Magi anime series. I am getting Hobbit and Lord of the Rings trilogy I have seen the first Hobbit and halfway to Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug. But I did studies the mythos. those are interesting info's 

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    • If you saw the Magi anime series, then you will find it interesting in what I did to Sinbad's origin story in HvV. Most elements from Magi: Adventures of Sinbad are used in the backstory.

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    • I saw that before I got a wiki account I did figured that, still cool. I'm trying to find backstories for characters that appeared in NDHvV

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    • Sadly, I can't provide help in creating stories in NDHvV since it is your (and Fattus) sector. All I can say is good luck in handling the tournament.

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    • Thanks for the support well right now Fattus is postphoning Round 5 because her birthday is coming up so we can wait till then. So can you tell me you're favorite parts of NDHvV?

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    • Actually, I can't put a proper review for your part since your tournament is in the early stages. I'll have to wait until you have reached a certain point in your story (kinda liked a midway point [where heroes rally themselves to oppose the villains who defeated them], or up to the final stages of the first part). Until then, I will not be involved in any discussion topic on NDHvV.

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    • Ok.

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    • Hey Cory. I need something explanation from you. I mean, can you describe what's dualism in your own terms? I'm kinda lost at most summaries.

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    • My guess is that dualism is the mind and body are distinct and non-identical entities, it is a the division of something conceptually into two opposed or contrasted aspects, or the state of being so divided. The idea is that the mind is seperated from the body. A dualist is someone who believes that knowledge, thought, consciousness, the self, etc... exist in some way behond the physical body. That's Dualism, is there something you're working on? like a research?

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    • Kinda. Speaking of this philosophy, do you accept the idea as it is? Like the mind and the body are indeed different entities?

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    • Well the mind and the body are seperated and when I think of an entitie I think of any gods,goddesses sort of thing, so this is also knew to me, but I can respect people who believe that philosophy.

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    • And what about the dualism in cosmology. Do you think that there were always two fundamental concepts opposing each other?

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    • Possibly.

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    • And do you think Evil as a concept exists by default?

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    • Well the thing is there is no black and white good and evil it's all gray, here's the videos to get the point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ4rci4ps1g and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq7bpd7LtdI so yeah when someone is evil they at times do good things and when someone is good they do bad things, there's also the first episode of Purgatony that actually shows that life is gray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBEaoW5okc.

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    • Well, there are relative matters on that subject (as well as putting it in a satire fan-made series), but I hardly understand that life is gray. It seems out of place.

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    • Yeah, I saw some examples. However, there is still one thing that bugs me. What can be defined as a grey area? I mean if there are no concepts of evil and good in your book, how would you explicit an act that is outside of those limits?

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    • For example Gantu from Lilo and Stitch if you saw the deleted scene or the film itself he wasnt evil he was only doing his job and wanted to catch Stitch before he does hurt someone, (Don't get me started on thr sequels I hate how they made him act like a villain) and Frollo he did bad things yea he was a villain but he believes himself as a pure righteous man who is only doing the service for France. Yokai from Big Hero 6 he was amain antagonist not a villain he wanted revenge on the man who send his daughter to an unkown place and never to return, I like how hollywood portays them as people who are doing bad things for a good reason or people who are bad  but don't see themselves as that but only seeing themselves as good. and now for this one then you got people who say Abraham Lincoln was a saint of all American presidents he was a glorious leader who didn't screw up anything, yes he did a lot of good I like him he was one of my favorite presidents but that didn't make him perfect he also did a lot of bad stuff he arrested people who he thought were conspirers with the south without trial he basically abolished parts of the constitution to win the war so my point is that history and life is not black and white it's shit loads and shit loads of grey and there is no good and evil in history they're is only shades of grey so yeah.

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    • For Frollo you got the worse comparison. In order for someone to see himself as righteous man who does the duty of his country, he must also see his actions on his part too. This case (Frollo) brings a dangerous level of vigilantism which it shouldn't even be debatable.

      There are other questions that bug me. If life is grey, true to most parts, then how do you judge a person's life? How do you explain to another person (say your illiterate relative from the local village/countryside) who saw tragedies, saw his land being taken by foreign powers, saw his friends being murdered by fanatical people who did most atrocities for the cause of their country? That life is grey? That there are no good guys and bad guys, and he must deal with it and move on?

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    • That's reality for ya,here's this https://www.quora.com/What-s-the-ten-worst-things-Abraham-Lincoln-did-during-the-civil-war and anything good you hear people sayabout him. also even though there are good people but they have badness inside of them and then you have people who are bad and actually do have the goodness inside of them here these for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yezdkYyEL4k and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JScY-VWS_Fg no one is born good or evil, were just born that way, and this for example https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-beauty-of-tragedy (It was the only one I could find sorry). And for an example of a Gray world you're going to meet peole that won't like you, and a Gray life is an example that life is not going to be a fantasy.

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    • Cory, I need you to ask something that had me in thoughts. In your opinion, what tragedy would you describe as the worst atrocity ever existed in the entire history?

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    • I would say the Holocaust and the 9/11, and probably the Russian evalution (Because the Royal family did not deserve the same fate as Nicholas) but there is always the brighter side of these things like we wouldnt have people fighting against Nazis in WW 2, we wouldnt have Firemen rescuing people from the burning towers and we wouldnt have people of Russia getting the freedom they want (Until Joseph Stalin messed it up) try to see the bright side of things. These things are contraversial to talk about that I can understand that's part of Gray life.

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    • Hmm, that's terrible to hear, but for me there are other catastrophes and disasters that get me in distressed, disturbed, horrified, and freaked out. Sadly, these disasters can be controversial, not only in conversation forums, but at the press and the media too.

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    • Indeed, Now if you wish to fully understand that life is gray, you should make a report or research on the web and study the good and bad in people and events. It's what I do

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